Does the Bible Give It’s Okay to Killing Babies?

Atheists and Bible skeptics will often attack the moral stance of the God’s Word by quoting Psalm 137:9

“How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock,”

If you look at the written scripture in context you will see that the Bible does not say it is okay the kill babies. The Psalmist was speaking of the Babylonian captivity, and how the captors were treating God’s people. Revenge was very common in those days and the Psalmist wished the same to the captors as he may have witnessed those offences done to them. He wanted their complete annihilation.

There is no scripture that reads that God condoned such actions. It was merely recorded in the Old Testament.

The atheist or skeptic in any case must first have a standard against which to measure good and bad, to say this is unacceptable; and without a standard, no complaints can be legitimately offered. This is a sincere question that if not answered by the skeptic, makes the critics’ accusation problematic.

39 thoughts on “Does the Bible Give It’s Okay to Killing Babies?

  1. Your response is too simplistic and you shouldnt have to defend a perfect god with an analogy about contradictions that basically puts the biblical accounts of the resurrection of jesus in a “drunken not sure what I saw” category you’ll have to dig deep into these topics, but people only see when they want to. I have dug deep into this stuff and I don’t mow over the same things everyday so I know there are many more issues, but I can’t possibly remember every single one, but I have studied this. It is our longing for peace and comfort that keeps us from honestly looking at the fundamental problems with the bible and it is hard to break out of it when our sense of self and belonging is wrapped up into it. I would like to see you address some of the other problems I mentioned in my comments. Seems you pick the easiest one to say something against and only address that.

  2. “As far as the contradictions start at the tomb on the supposed resurrection, who was there?” I don’t see a contradiction here, there were at least 500 people that saw the risen Christ! In John 20:28, after Thomas had declared he would not believe Jesus had risen from the dead unless he saw Him and touched Him, Jesus appeared. Jesus told Thomas to touch Him, to put his finger into the holes in His wrists, and his hands into Christ’s side. Then Jesus told Thomas to believe. Notice, Jesus told Thomas to believe after seeing the evidence. So, the evidence of the resurrection of Jesus is found in the eyewitness accounts recorded in the Gospels. The writers were not evil people who wanted to deceive anyone. They claimed to have seen the risen Lord. As a result, their lives were changed because of the resurrection of Jesus, the risen Lord! They risked life and limb for what they saw, not for what someone merely told them.

    The other so-called contradictions are not contradictions as you think. I am not sure you know what a contradiction is? A contradiction occurs when two (or more) different statements on a topic cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense. For instance, let’s look at the statements “I am walking my dog,” and “I am not walking my dog.” Both statements cannot both be true at the same time and in the same way. They are mutually exclusive. However, the following is not a contradiction: “Bob saw two people get out of the 1967 black Camaro,” and “Frank saw three people get out of the 1967 black Camaro.” These statements are not mutually exclusive because both statements can be true at the same time. Bob may have been at an angle where he was only able to see two people, where Frank could have been at a different angle where he was able to see three people. Both statements can be true at the same time and in the same sense without excluding the other.

  3. Also just now got an invitation to a coworkers funeral he died of cancer, in his 50s, wife and kids, everyone was around him praying for a year for his healing. Treatments would work for awhile and then quit. I think we use god to ease our pain to cope with the loss.

  4. I was using language you understand, but I don’t believe in God or it or whatever. But I am open if there is a reasonable explanation. And it if it exists, knows what I need if it cares. See you say who cares if we starve, but yet attempt to present a god of love and mercy. That “supposed love,” “amazing grace”, and “God can do whatever he wants attitude destroys your nature,” and makes you absolutely unnatural in a bad way, it teaches you to hate and distrust your instincts, breaks you down, and obliterates a person’s sense of self worth and makes them completely dependent on this being that doesn’t show up when absolutely needed. I’m not arrogant man, but you don’t believe me and that’s okay with me. It’s okay because I know what I’m saying makes sense, but I also know that Christianity provides a comfort for people, but if you become so tired of being disillusioned you will see. As far as the contradictions start at the tomb on the supposed resurrection, who was there? Then look at the lineages at the beginning. Then look at jesus contradictory statements. To name a few: take up your cross and follow…come that you may have life and have it more abundant….my yoke is easy and my burden is light…whoever starts to plow and turns back is not worthy of me….I have not come to bring peace but a sword….he will be called prince of peace…etc. etc. The list goes on and on man I’m not lying to you. I loved god with all my heart.

  5. First of all, I don’t need you to tell me what I find “okay”. Where do you find the arrogance to say what is “justice” in God’s eye? You seem to have pent-up a lot of frustration. Remember that you are NOT the judge! How YOU feel what justice is, is irrelevant frankly. I am included as well. Why do you posit that God is NOT supposed to make us sick, starve or something? I mean, why not? Maybe he has a good reason. Maybe there is a good in it. Then again, maybe this is just what the world is like with sin in it. Besides, God doesn’t owe me or you anything. The Bible is historically accurate, powerful, prophetic, etc. I see God as good . . . I don’t understand what he does sometimes. But it does not change his nature. He is infinitely above me and permits things to happen.

  6. I don’t really push anything. I write my experiences and I’m open and honest about them even if they sometimes are contradictory. Mindfulness makes sense so I write a little about it. I know God didn’t show up because I was there. The 4 year old girl with a brain tumor that deteriorated before her christian parents eyes losing her ability to talk, walk, and see. Seizing constantly in her bedroom as her parents and older brother watched helplessly. I was praying constantly. The only thing that happened after seeing all this death is that I gained 50lbs, ended up on 3 different heart medications, and antidepressants. I was able to get off of them after I allowed my paradigm to shift and stopped trying to explain gods hand in every scenario and accepted that maybe god isn’t involved in any of it. If this supposed god is in control of that I want nothing to do with him. That’s just my experience only. I cant follow a bipolar god. There could never be a satisfactory explanation to me that accounts for the brutality in the world. And I’m okay with not being comfortable. So I was able to maintain my beliefs for a few years as a hospice nurse, but eventually got tired of always trying to figure out why God was so mysterious, and why the mysteries always had to do with God not showing up when needed the most. It always involved trying to ascertain some form of abstract explanation for the absence of presence. These people needed presence not theology. As far as errors I should correct that and say contradictions. If you are really interested in seeing the contradictions you seem studious enough I’m sure you could find them. It’s exhausting to write them all.

  7. So the god of the old testament behaves like Allah and thats okay with you, because Jesus comes in and says basically “I’ll die for you instead and hide you from my father’s vengeful blood thirsty eyes–I’ll be your mediator?” That is not just. It is not just to create beings the way they are and then punish them for being that way (regardless of what Paul says in romans). We dont consider an abusive partner right just because they succeed in trapping their victims with mental beat downs do we? Yet, because we ascrive divinity to a belief system it doesnt matter what god does, because god is in control and im not? So its ok to god that people starve to death, that 6 million jews were murdered, that there has been corruption in government since the beginning of time? It sounds like corruption in leadership is okay with you as long as you can see that it’s god doing it. So is God the author of evil? Most Christians will not look honestly at this stuff because they start with their experience and then fit in everything around it so it matches their paradigm. When you say “so what” about my disagreement with God’s decisions this is only your perspective.

  8. So you disagree with God’s judgment and He makes decisions you don’t like, so what? It happens all the time still! There are many incidents where God’s judgments are beyond our understanding.
    1 Timothy 2: 5
    5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

    So was it right that God didn’t kill Aaron? It was God’s will. and He is a just God!

  9. Sorry TFTD, but “apostate Christian” is an oxymoron as scripture reads: 1 John 2:19 “They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us.” Or you are backslidden at best. I have seen your blog and you spend a lot of time objecting to it while pushing alternative spiritualities. ” I expected gods presence to show up there and he didn’t–long story short”, how do you know this? I too have worked in surgical suites and recovery rooms, seeing many go to the morgue. It actually made me question God’s existence, but never did I not see God’s work. I am still a strong believer!

    You say there are many “errors” in the Bible. Please indicate some to me. I believe that scholars after a few Millenium have stated that there are some punctuational errors etc.

  10. So was it right that God didn’t kill Aaron for making the golden calf, but instead had 3000 others killed by their own kin? It’s clear moses feared the loss of his power trusted the alliance of Aarons and feared the 3000 would rise up against him. It was a man made judgement out of fear. If you could make a better judgement then it isn’t a god.

  11. Thank you. No, I was a devout Christian, I talk about this on my blog and how I lost faith, I consider myself an agnostic. I lost it during my experience as a hospice nurse. I expected gods presence to show up there and he didnt–long story short. I think it’s important to point out that there are many many errors in the bible too. I thought it was impossible to have morality apart from the Bible too, but it’s not. I actually have let go of a lot of the meaningless pressure I used to put on myself. I thought I was free before. I think it has to do with your post because as a Christian I considered the bible to be inerrant and it’s not. If we suspend our feelings briefly and reread the old testament we see a very man made god. We begin to feel offended at the brutality of this god, and it’s only when we start losing our inner peace that we try to rationalize gods mysterious ways with complex explanations to supposedly defend a god that shouldn’t need defending. We do this to settle our minds fear of the unknown and refuse to allow our paradigm to shift because it provides us so much comfort to know everything. If we suddenly didn’t recognize the god we have constructed, we fear it will destroy us inside. But it actually doesn’t. As far as the new testament, I realize Paul was saying that these laws were the outward form of the inner realities that were to come. The law was a schoolmaster until Christ came. And specifically the gentiles were to abstain from sexual immorality and strangled blood. And Paul even said that he had found a group of people who instinctively did as the law commanded and that they were a law unto themselves. This is the answer to your comment about atheists not being able to measure right from wrong. Anyway these are just some of my thoughts

  12. I am not certain why you would bring up that OT scripture with it’s relevance to the post? Are you Jewish? In Acts 15, the Church at Jerusalem together with the Apostles and James and addressed the issue as to how the Gentile Christian was to relate to the law. They determined that God has cleansed the hearts of the Gentile believers by faith and that they need not participate in the ceremonial rites and externals of the law. They urged them only to honor God in their walk by obeying certain moral essentials such as abstaining from sexual immorality and idolatry. Gentile Christians were not bound to keep the Jewish feasts in any form. Indeed, Paul would go on to plainly write to the Colossians:

    “Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ,” (Colossians 2:16-17).

    and to the Galatians he warns:

    “But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things, to which you desire to be enslaved all over again? You observe days and months and seasons and years. I fear for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain,” (Galatians 4:9-11).

    It is clear from the writings of the early church that they understood from these words that the feasts and Sabbaths were not mandatory for Christians.

    God Bless!

  13. Religious people can appeal to a higher power from which they can ascertain what is good and bad. Of course, Christianity doesn’t recognize the existence of any gods other than the one taught in Scripture. For Christians, God’s revelation found in the Bible is the standard by which they make such judgments. So, to answer the question about what gives us the right to judge what is moral, the answer is God. We don’t judge what is right and wrong. God does, and he has communicated his standard of righteousness. This communication is found in the Bible. Take the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20. We see a codification of moral standards. We are told not to lie, not to commit adultery, not to covet, etc. These are standards given to us by God, and though there are other cultures that don’t believe in the biblical God, they might have similar moral codes. But, for the Christian, the Bible is the supreme authority that judges what is moral.We don’t get our moral codes from society! Contradiction: a contradiction occurs when one statement that is said to be true contradicts another statement that is also said to be true, when both statements are referring to the same thing. The Bible has no contradictions! This conversation has become fruitless. Welcome to rabbit trails.com! God Bless!

  14. Neither can a Christian. You have to select the bits of the Bible to take values from since so much of it is contradictory. Atheists get their moral codes from the same place you do:- society.

  15. Thanks for your reply. As I commented “Judgment is preceded by warning and/or long periods of exposure to the truth and time to repent.” Justice is not always to your liking!”Your God is immoral”? Without a standard of morality, there is no way to judge what is good or bad. Atheists, for example, might decry what is the behavior of God in the Old Testament when he orders the destruction of people groups. But, by what standard does any atheist have to judge what is morally correct? At best, an atheist would only have the ability to express an opinion since he cannot offer any objective standard of morality.

  16. Even so, it’s vindictive isn’t it? Create a creature with free will, then kill it when it makes an choice. Worse, kill their children and unborn. Kill the innocent as well as the purported guilty.
    Your God is immoral.

  17. God lawfully has the right to execute judgment upon anyone. The Bible says that all people have sinned against God and are under his righteous judgment. Therefore, their execution is not an arbitrary killing nor is it murder. Murder is the unlawful taking of life. Killing is the lawful taking of life. For example, we can lawfully take a life in defense of our selves, our families, our nations. When God authorizes the nation of Israel to wipe out a people, it is a lawful execution due to their rebellion and sin against God. One of the reasons that the Lord is so strong in the Old Testament and orders the killing of people is to ensure that the future messianic line would remain intact. Judgment is preceded by warning and/or long periods of exposure to the truth and time to repent.

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